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2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
CREATED: 08/13/12 by JayC101 REPLIES: 18
JayC101's ravatar JayC101    JOINED: 2/27/11    POSTS: 105
2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/13/12 7:45 PM

Just saw this posted by Ironman on FB:

Registration for the 2013 Ironman U.S. Championship is currently suspended in an effort to properly address the feedback we have received from the community. All currently registered will be fully refunded & their spots will be held for the 2013 race pending the re-opening of registration. For more information please check ironman.com. for one on one assistance or inquiries please email NYC@ironman.com

nomisdc's ravatar nomisdc    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 615
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/13/12 10:35 PM

Here's the official statement

courtr26's ravatar courtr26    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 117
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/14/12 9:57 AM

How about the fact that it cost an arm and a leg to get into it! $1200 is CRAZY!!!

Luke's ravatar Luke    JOINED: 11/28/10    POSTS: 357
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/14/12 2:31 PM

If Ironman NYC is cancelled, where will the "Ironman US Championship" be moved to!?! You can't go from New York City to some run-down minor league town and expect the same hype... it needs to be another world class city. As such, I would propose Washington DC: TriTown USA.

Ironman US Championship needs DC
NYC was a good enough venue to sell out in 11 minutes, even if 95% of the race was in New Jersey. New York sold out quickly while maintaining premium pricing because of 1) the large population base in NYC and 2) the fact that NYC is a huge tourist attraction... plenty of things to do for the several days you need to be in town. Ironman can't expect to charge the same absurd price without a big name venue. I know of a nearby city that is world-renowned, and one that could benefit from the influx of tourists in the traditionally slower month of August. Why not bring Ironman to The Most Powerful City In The World!?

DC needs Ironman US Championship
We the people of TriTown USA are still scratching our heads wondering how and why 2 of our 3 triathlons recently closed their doors forever. Yet the DC area has a huge base of triathletes and volunteers that are willing to travel to all the ends of the earth to race, often in Ironman races. We need to bring another race here, but a small event probably is not willing to go through the burden, and even if they were, the city probably won't accomodate them. We need something big, with a lot of money and hype behind it... something we can really be proud of. It appears Ironman US Championship may be the thing to return this tri-partisan town to its prominence as TriTown USA!

If Ironman was willing to try Ironman NYC (which was really Ironman New Jersey), why not try Iroman DC (even if a lot of it ends up being in PG County)?

That's my 2 cents (just like the 2 penny-shaped medals I have from the old 2010 & 2011 DC Triathlon).

-Luke

JayC101's ravatar JayC101    JOINED: 2/27/11    POSTS: 105
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/14/12 2:37 PM

Well they couldn't even make a half ironman work here so I doubt anyone is to keen on trying to bring a full ironman here anytime soon.

vatriathlete    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 682
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/14/12 2:42 PM

they should have IM Hains point, just do something like 40 short laps on the bike and another 9 short laps on the run and have people do loops back and forth around hains point.

perfect race.

nomisdc's ravatar nomisdc    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 615
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/14/12 3:03 PM

That's because we're thinking about the wrong side of the river. Virginia is the place based on it's center as the USA's military-industrial might (for reference, watch The Bourne Legacy). Pentagon parking lot as transition, stealth bomber cover, UAV escorts, corporate sponsorships, an aircraft carrier from Norfolk at the swim turn around, big data prediction and analysis of athlete times, helicopter medivac, athlete dinner at CIA HQ (with a blind folded trip to post-celebration drinks at a location somewhere in the VA hills), timing chips permanently implanted in athletes, no allowance of the word "non-profit" anywhere, political talk is banned on pain of extraction to Guantanamo, US citizenship mandatory for participation, and guns, lots of awesome guns carried by the good guys.
Oh, and Free Parking.

bcfrank's ravatar bcfrank    JOINED: 3/23/09    POSTS: 953
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/14/12 3:57 PM

My two cents is do we really even need an Ironman US Championships? Why not just make it another Ironman race and then it can be staged in any city and doesn't matter if it's a "step down" from NYC? (Though to me, even the dry desert landscape of Arizona is a step up from the highways of Jersey.)

It's the same with the European Championship. What's the point? Why not just call it an Ironman? Why designate it as a "championship"? It's not like you have to qualify to sign up for either race. It doesn't get more slots for the World Championship. It's just another Ironman race (that costs twice as much as a normal Ironman).

Luke's ravatar Luke    JOINED: 11/28/10    POSTS: 357
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/15/12 8:41 AM

Bryan, the simple answer to that question is No, we don't need a US championship. In reality, the title of "Ironman US Champion" should probably go to the fastest man and woman US citizen at Kona. Given the grueling nature of a 140.6 mile race, you honestly can't expect an athlete to race all out to compete for the title of US Champion in August, then come back and race all out again to compete for the title of World Champion in October (hence the reason why Olympic Trials for the marathon are held 9 months before the Olympics). However, by adding the label "US Championship" or "European Championship", Ironman can increase the price by $100-$200 and still sell out just as quickly.

That being said, there probably should be a full length Ironman race somewhere in the mid-Atlantic. If Ironman NYC goes under, the closest full length Ironman races to the mid-Atlantic region are Lake Placid and Louisville... both a 9 hour drive from DC.

asovonick's ravatar asovonick    JOINED: 6/3/09    POSTS: 203
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/15/12 12:14 PM

Simon's vision for IMPentagon sounds AWESOME

JayC101's ravatar JayC101    JOINED: 2/27/11    POSTS: 105
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/16/12 7:46 AM

Wow $4 million to put on this race and now it looks more and more likely 2012 will be the one and only Ironman NYC

http://www.northjersey.com/news/166345346_Ironman_s_costs_may_drive_it_away.html?c=y&page=1

dsgrunning's ravatar dsgrunning    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 1294
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/16/12 9:48 AM

Bryan,

In all fairness to the European Championship, since I've done that race. It's true that there are no stated qualification standards to get in. However, by default there are some. Their cutoff is 15 hours, unlike most IMs out there. Folks who normally think that they can do an IM at around the 14:30-17:00 hour mark most likely don't sign up for the race. Why do when your chances off making the cutoff are slim to nil? The race still sells out within hours or days, even with the faster field. The year I signed up for the European Chaampionship, it sold out in 4 hours.

For the upper echelons (i.e., pros) races that are designated as "Championships" get more points for them to accumulate in their quest for towing the line at Kona. Winning or placing at an IM race can get you anywhere betwee 1,000 - 6,000 points, depending on the race. For example, a pro winning IMFL will get less points (1,000) than a pro winning the IM European Championship (4,000) or IM U.S Championship. These points are what help qualifies pros for Kona and drive their decisions on what races to show up at.

These are the current pro IM qualifying points breakdown
http://ironmanpromembership.com/im-qualifying/

I also noticed that the folks doing IMNY got a lot better swag than what I got at IMFL. My swag at the European Championship was also 10x better. This could be a function of more sponsorships going into races that are designated as "Championships." The side benefits are that the pro gets more points, the normal AGers get better swag, and the races have more competitions

I also did the Danish Long Course Championship this past weekend in Copenhagen (not WTC owned). Their cutoff was anywhere between 15-16 hours depending on your wave. You don't find out your wave until the week before the race. This means that anyone who is in the 14:30-17:00 hour range won't be at the race. My 11:57 time at IMFL placed me in the top 35% (if I could remember correctly) when I did it. My 11:56 time placed me in the bottom 45% in Denmark. If you are into competition, I think that you will generally see more fast people show up at races that are designated as "Championship" races.

Tuan

ballstoncyclist's ravatar ballstoncyclist    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 492
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/16/12 10:35 AM

Asia-Pacific Championship cutoff is the usual 17 hours, but Tuan is right, the 3 races designated as Championships award more Kona points (4000) and more money...by a lot. (not that we the people care about winning $$$$)

From what I've seen the swag was not better than what I got at IMCdA. I think in general IM has improved swag this year for all races. Could it be the increase in competition? Let's hope.

nomisdc's ravatar nomisdc    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 615
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/16/12 1:29 PM

What do a 11-12 hour Ironman athlete and a 15-17 hour Ironman athlete have in common?
A. You're both an Ironman, and the only people who care about your time are tri-nerds; and
2. You both have the same chance of qualifying for Kona in the next 10 years if you work really, really hard. That is: Zero percent. Except lottery, of course.

Reality check folks.
Edit: never say always or never. I shouldn't say zero percent. Let's say less than 2% to be conservative.

Edit: thanks for the thought about my usually-terrible humor :)

dsgrunning's ravatar dsgrunning    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 1294
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/16/12 3:27 PM

I think that you are reading a bit too much into what I wrote Simon. I'm just stating what the policy is at these races and how some of the races with the word "championship" are different from the ones without as part of a larger discussion. I make no statements about what an Ironman is in terms of finishing time. Some of the people who completed the first Ironman took more than 24 hours to complete the race. You won't find a more supportive person than me as far as encouraging everyone, regardless of athletic abilities, to do Ironman races ... just asked anyone who has ever talked to me at a DCTri happy hour :)


Tuan

mosered's ravatar mosered    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 1743
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/16/12 5:35 PM

Mayor Bloomberg pushed the suspension--after learning that the energy drinks at the water stops contain sugar and salt.

nomisdc's ravatar nomisdc    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 615
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/16/12 9:58 PM

I'm responding to your post, your royal highness, but not you. Of course we all know you are the loveable stud who cares for all but requires us to pay you in return. Forums are about broad ideas, not particular people. So I'm replying to the potential thought that a 11-12 hour IM, even in the 10 hour ranges, gives people the idea that one who does that is elite. You in particular may not think that, but many folks do, and posts encourage that thinking. My ideas are simply contrarian to that train of thought - that the fact is such times aren't elite at all in the broad scheme of things. So I mean folks may categorize themselves as "fast" if they do 10:30 to 12 hour IM's, but the only people who care are tri-time-diehards. You aren't really "that fast" in the broad rankings. This is based, in part, on my own experience - from 12:34 top range to 15:00 low range finishes - no one cares about the difference, except tri-diehards (who gasp in horror, but I gives a $H!t). So cash does make a huge difference, and that is a reason to have one or more championships. This is my way of agreeing that if you think you are the best, you prove it at Kona. Otherwise, who cares if one did a 10:55 or a 15:47. You are not going to the real championships. Feel free to disagree with my train of thought - that's what forums are form :)

bwinterroth's ravatar bwinterroth    JOINED: 5/12/11    POSTS: 66
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/17/12 7:36 AM

The only reason WTC called it the "US Championship" and added 25 more Kona spots was to get people to people to pay $950 to register for the race. I have a feeling there were tons of Wall Street types telling everyone at work that they "qualified" for the Ironman "US Championship"

ballstoncyclist's ravatar ballstoncyclist    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 492
RE: 2013 NYC Ironman On Hold
POSTED: 8/17/12 8:48 AM

[LIKE] what Ben said.

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