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Take the Post Poll on Ticketing Cyclists
CREATED: 06/18/09 by mccannjl REPLIES: 9
mccannjl's ravatar mccannjl    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 216
Take the Post Poll on Ticketing Cyclists
POSTED: 6/18/09 10:39 AM

Vote now on whether you would support a crackdown on cyclists in the DC area

Adam Voiland is a blogger for examiner.com. Not sure what use will be made of the answers, but cast your vote here:
http://tinyurl.com/mucvml

briank's ravatar briank    JOINED: 6/15/09    POSTS: 15
RE: Take the Post Poll on Ticketing Cyclists
POSTED: 6/18/09 11:25 AM

Interesting poll, I can't believe there's an option to ban cyclists from all roads. LOL @ someone actually thinking that would ever happen.

As long as bicyclists don't cause accidents I don't think they should be forced to obey all traffics laws that motorists have to obey.


I know I don't.

Chad's ravatar Chad    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 116
RE: Take the Post Poll on Ticketing Cyclists
POSTED: 6/18/09 11:37 AM

Regardless of whether or not you "think" we shouldn't be forced to obey all traffic laws (and yes sometimes we as cyclists don't) you are REQUIRED to abide by the laws established in your local jurisdictions with regards to cycling, especially if it is stopping at a stop sign...and I am not going to get into a semantic argument about that topic either, but if you get a ticket from a cop....don't argue because it won't do you any good...because it is the law for cyclists to stop at stop signs and obey traffic signs/signals...you broke the law and you are going to get a ticket!

It is important to know the rules of the road and legally what you are
obligated to abide by. Contrary to most law enforcement's perceptions some of the laws are surprising.

Research, Educate, and Understand your responsibilities while riding a bike...no one else is going to help you out, especially motorists.

I once again point everyone reading this to the following link.

http://www.waba.org/areabiking/bikelaws.php

Also, here are some interesting reads on cyclists rights and law enforcement of cycling laws...

http://www.velonews.com/article/78929

http://www.velonews.com/article/77944

http://www.velonews.com/article/75977 This link is the best one for why we as cyclists need to OBEY THE LAW (last paragraph in particular...)

http://www.velonews.com/article/84329 This one is interesting because it applies to riding on Skyline Drive!

briank's ravatar briank    JOINED: 6/15/09    POSTS: 15
RE: Take the Post Poll on Ticketing Cyclists
POSTED: 6/18/09 1:03 PM

Thanks for the information. But it's not going to change the way I ride. I go through red lights, split lanes and hop sidewalks whenever possible and reasonably safe.

Frankly, being a bike commuter my only concerns are getting to work quickly and safely. If I wanted to sit in traffic for 45 minutes waiting for lights to change I would drive my car. But since I'm "being green" and not adding another automobile to DC's already congested streets, I feel entitled to take certain liberties.

Chad's ravatar Chad    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 116
RE: Take the Post Poll on Ticketing Cyclists
POSTED: 6/18/09 1:24 PM

It's that sense of entitlement that makes it dangerous for the rest of us out there on the road and increases driver and pedestrian road rage towards us.

As a cyclist and/or a driver you actually don't have any entitlements, driving and riding a bike is a privilege since it is regulated by the laws and everyone is equal under those laws, it is in no way an entitlement. Furthermore, your sense of entitlement doesn't apply to breaking the law.

If so then if you "think" you are entitled to the money you pay in taxes then why shouldn't you be able to cheat on your taxes if you think you are "entitled" to that money? Well surely because we are all equal under the law and all laws apply to you as much as they do to me and we all must pay taxes. Where does it stop when you think you are entitled to take liberties that clearly break established laws?

Good luck out there and be careful with the risks you are taking since their consequences will someday eventually extend to others and infringe on your self proclaimed "entitlement to take certain liberties"...

briank's ravatar briank    JOINED: 6/15/09    POSTS: 15
RE: Take the Post Poll on Ticketing Cyclists
POSTED: 6/18/09 1:42 PM

Oh spare me your lectures and rhetoric. Riding a bike is as much of a "privilege" as walking is.

How about we start ticketing people who cross the street when the light is red, even though cars aren't approaching? That's gotta cause more accidents than bicyclists, right? How about we ticket every person who drops gum on the sidewalk? I mean, think of the all the times you got gum on your shoe. Someone has to held responsible for this, right?


Ridiculous? Almost as much as comparing riding a bicycle to cheating on one's taxes....

mccannjl's ravatar mccannjl    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 216
RE: Take the Post Poll on Ticketing Cyclists
POSTED: 6/18/09 1:46 PM

wow, i'm really glad i started this!

It's amazing how the mere MENTION of pedestrians, cars, and bikes never fails to cause a firestorm.

Thanks for the info, now go vote!

trithis73's ravatar trithis73    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 525
RE: Take the Post Poll on Ticketing Cyclists
POSTED: 6/18/09 1:54 PM

Chad,

Thanks for the articles. Was informative reading. You are right also. What we do may not affect us at the time, but may in turn affect a fellow cyclists in the future. We have to realize that cars don't like us on the road, they believe they are the only ones who belong there. Yet these are the same people, that if they are walking or jogging on a multiuse path or sidewalk, and are passed by a cyclist on the sidewalk. They immediately complain about how the cyclist could potentially injure someone, and how dangerous it is for us to ride that fast there. We will never win the hearts and mind of the masses on this subject, but we shouldn't instigate or aggravate more hostility either.

sleenaerts's ravatar sleenaerts    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 29
RE: Take the Post Poll on Ticketing Cyclists
POSTED: 6/18/09 2:09 PM

Ooooh, I LOVE a good argument! Personally, I would ban all cars from downtown DC (except for Government vehicles) and turn it into a cyclist/pedestrian only area a la European city centres. But that ain't going to happen. I commute from University Park, MD to DuPont Circle on my bike most of the time. I obey the rules of the road for the most part--stopping at stop lights and stop signs, signaling turns, etc. But I admit that I break certain rules of the road from time to time. I'm just as guilty of the peek-n-sneak and lane splitting as many others. But that is a risk that I take and I often look around to see if a police vehicle is in the vicinity before I do it. Why? Because I know I'm breaking the rules and, if I get caught, I SHOULD be ticketed--just like any other driver. I don't think I'm better than the cars--just healthier and more environmentally friendly. If I want to share the road, I have to share the rules and the consequences for breaking those rules. By the way--I once got ticketed in Denver for speeding on my bicycle (I was doing 35 in a 25 zone--albeit on a bit of a downhill). I didn't bitch about it, I was caught and I took my lumps. Actually, it was kind of cool to be written up for speeding on a bike.

Anyway, my two cents, for what it's worth.

AndyJB444's ravatar AndyJB444    JOINED: 2/28/09    POSTS: 401
RE: Take the Post Poll on Ticketing Cyclists
POSTED: 6/18/09 2:30 PM

I say ban all the cars and Chad from the roads. The world would be a much safer place!

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